The Strange World of Mark Steyn

Canada’s number one persecution complex is back at it again in the pages of Macleans. His argument in this column appears to be: Western nations worried about overpopulation should continue to have kids or else the Muslims (who are always a monolith in Steyn’s brain) will outbreed the Aryan races. In other words, for Mark Steyn it is worth it to destroy the habitability of earth if it means beating the dark-skinned Other at something.


26 responses to “The Strange World of Mark Steyn

  1. horatio dunesbury

    sorry but no that’s not the argument. the argument is that even if we heed the extreme environmentalist’s calls to stop breeding, others wont. so by not breeding we will not accomplish anything other than eliminating ourselves.

    your failure to properly understand this argument so that you can falsely frame it as a racial argument is only too typical of the left.

    too bad you cant muster a decent reply to that argument.

  2. I guess military operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, Gaza and Somalia aren’t killing the young ones fast enough.

  3. Mary Ann Armstrong

    One wonders if you ever actually read any of his stuff. It’s not about beating down the other group demographically, it’s about a pathetic mind set that thinks it is virtuous to despise itself. Having children brings gifts into the world. It’s pro-world, pro-earth, pro-hope. Thinking people are a cancer is fashionable , smug, perverted nihilism. And of course, it won’t work, because vital cultures will always reproduce. Why don’t you actually engage with some nuance and complexity of thought and not just be smarmy?

  4. Wow.

    Racism racism everywhere. How easy it must be to live in your (pun intended) black and white world.

    Steyn’s points are factual and without hyperbole.

    Read the work as opposed to looking at the skin colour.

  5. Having children brings gifts into the world. It’s pro-world, pro-earth, pro-hope.

    Clearly you have never been on a crowded bus where there’s a crying baby.

  6. Steyn’s points are factual and without hyperbole.

    Read the work as opposed to looking at the skin colour.

    Then why is it that Steyn is always obsessed with the birthrates of Muslims and few others. I would prefer not to look at race, but Steyn keeps directing my attention there.

  7. your failure to properly understand this argument so that you can falsely frame it as a racial argument is only too typical of the left.

    He’s saying that other races are the problem, don’t tell me there isn’t a racial component to what Steyn says. His sotto voce racism is still racism.

  8. Dan, Dan, Dan, if its all so simple as you claim, then you should have no problem answering an easy question: what race are Muslims? Last time I checked, Islam was a religion, meaning a person chooses to be or not be a Muslim (regardless of their race). If a person was bashing Christians, and someone cried racist, you would be right in laughing at them for making such an absurd comment. But put ‘Muslim’ and ‘racism’ together, and the lefty moonbats simply eat it up…

  9. Islam is not a race, at best it is a religion at worst it is an all encomnpassing way of life. And a way of life that greatly affects everyone around it. This is shown throughout history and most importantly now.

    Mr. Steyn is having a religous and cultural debate. You are looking at race. For entertainment’s sake, ask a Sikh about Muslims. Or a Hindu. Get away from the Big white westerners are evil default position and then watch real multiculturism as opposed to the typical, lets go to the Indian buffet for dinner.

    If Muslims were a Christian sect you would be going nuts right now.

  10. Hah, y’all are funny. You were the ones to say I was seeing in this in terms of race, you used the terms, but somehow I can’t? No wonder you think Steyn is a supergenius.

  11. Funny, I don’t recall saying that you couldn’t use any terms – use any that you like. I was merely pointing out that your useage is nonsensical. In fact, you will need the term ‘race’ to answer my question which you have either missed or ignored. Also, after rereading my previous post (just to be sure), I realize that I didn’t even mention Mr Steyn. But you obviously know what I think of him…

  12. Your question is, well, stupid. I never claimed that Muslims were a race. Steyn himself seems to regard Muslim populations as unified entity – one that he clearly fears. Read what I said in my original post. As an aside: now you are dictating my vocabulary?

  13. Speaking of regarding Muslim populations as unified entity, this old man embodies the worst inclinations of Mark Steyn:

    Former judge wants to bar Muslims from scholarships

  14. Jees Dan, where did the wingnuts come from? Follow your hear from MacLeans? The Natty Po?

    What happens if we breed all these white babies and they choose to be Muslims (Sufis, you know the okay Muslims)?

    Anyone who thinks an idiot like Steyn is refering to Sikhs when he talks about Western Birth Rates is either lying or a moron.

    But the looks of your comments, I’m going with Moron.

    Anyone who thinks that ALL Muslims are a hetergenous group, in either race or belief, is too stupid to even talk to. Just as anyone who thinks ALL Christians are like that.

    That old judge ought to be given his money back and told to fuck right off.

  15. Dan;

    You continue to mischaracterize Steyn’s argument. It is not about race, it is about culture. He clearly states in his book that if muslims were liberal democrats their demographics would not represent a problem.

    But as it stands islam and liberal democracy are totally incompatible and given that muslims are likely to become a majority in Europe before the end of this century, that is going to pose a bit of a problem for european Christians, gays and women who care to wear something other than a burka.

  16. No- you are completely wrong. That is not Steyn’s assertion at all. Read his book- there’s quite a bit in the introduction about your kind of (non)rebuttal. As Steyn says: “Racist” is now no more than the cry of a western liberal who can’t stand his illusions being disturbed.

    Islam is not a race. Repeat- Islam is not a race.

  17. Balls.Criminal Logical Fallacy& CognitiveDissonance old boy.

    After your fatuous juvenile unoriginal hyperbole sodden and stale ad hominems, you forgot to focus on a SINGLE point of Mark Steyns where he is gee, WRONG and answer with a single seriously reliable source of evidence.

    Mohammad was a paedophile rapist psychopath mass murdering bandit hallucinating the filth of the Koran in a cave. Though you are here under the empirical microsope, and buried under a Himalaya of fact:

    zombietimecom drsanityblogspotcom thepeoplescubecom Any P.J O’Rourke book. [Left] LiberalFascism by JonahGoldberg dissectleftblogspotcom colonelrobertnevilleblogspotcom

    The Real Che Guevara and the idiots who idolize him by hfontovacom jihadwatchorg

    While Europe Slept by Brucebawercom brusselsjournalcom melaniephillipscom faithfreedomorg memritvorg atlasshrugs com thereligionofpeacecom theprophetofdoomnet

    Why They Hate by Brigitte Gabrielle americancongressfortruthcom
    danielpipesorg shoebatcom islammonitororg stophonourkillingscom marksteyncom

    The Death Of The Grown-Up by Diane West.

    Don’t tell me, Geert Wilders the Netherlands Classical Liberal Democrat is a er “fascist!” cos he shows harsh reality directly to the wilfully disingenuous.

    Hey, better than facing Islam and then having to examine the rest of your Marxist leftard liberal house of cards and paradigms. Got it. Check. Smile. Blame the messenger. That’s the way. Hey presto! Ya don’t need to do andy work nor a speck of reading.

    By the way, where can I find your best selling books, syndicated columns, witty popular quotes, reviews and interviews? Great are they?

    Colonel Neville.

  18. Ah yes, nuts of the underground sewers of Kos.

    Got it.

    Colonel Neville.

  19. nuts of the underground sewers of Kos.

    I believe you just said something about ad hominems that is now hilarious. Give my regards to Col. Sanders, Col. Tom Parker and the rest of the “Colonels” club.

  20. Rampant population growth threatens our economy and quality of life. I’m not talking just about the obvious environmental and resource issues. I’m talking about the effect upon rising unemployment and poverty.

    I should introduce myself. I am the author of a book titled “Five Short Blasts: A New Economic Theory Exposes The Fatal Flaw in Globalization and Its Consequences for America.” To make a long story short, my theory is that, as population density rises beyond some optimum level, per capita consumption of products begins to decline out of the need to conserve space. People who live in crowded conditions simply don’t have enough space to use and store many products. This declining per capita consumption, in the face of rising productivity (per capita output, which always rises), inevitably yields rising unemployment and poverty.

    This theory has huge implications for policy toward population management. Our policies that encourage high rates of population growth are rooted in the belief of economists that population growth is a good thing, fueling economic growth. Through most of human history, the interests of the common good and business (corporations) were both well-served by continuing population growth. For the common good, we needed more workers to man our factories, producing the goods needed for a high standard of living. This population growth translated into sales volume growth for corporations. Both were happy.

    But, once an optimum population density is breached, their interests diverge. It is in the best interest of the common good to stabilize the population, avoiding an erosion of our quality of life through high unemployment and poverty. However, it is still in the interest of corporations to fuel population growth because, even though per capita consumption goes into decline, total consumption still increases. We now find ourselves in the position of having corporations and economists influencing public policy in a direction that is not in the best interest of the common good.

    If you’re interested in learning more about this important new economic theory, I invite you to visit either of my web sites at or where you can read the preface, join in my blog discussion and, of course, purchase the book if you like. (It’s also available at

    Please forgive the somewhat spammish nature of the previous paragraph. I just don’t know how else to inject this new perspective into the overpopulation debate without drawing attention to the book that explains the theory.

    Pete Murphy
    Author, “Five Short Blasts”

  21. Quoting Dan the outstanding and best selling literary genius: “I believe you just said something about ad hominems that is now hilarious. Give my regards to Col. Sanders, Col. Tom Parker and the rest of the “Colonels” club.”

    Incredible! Astounding! Talent! Bravo! I can see why publishers are beating a path to your door. Brilliant comeback and insight. Ya really got me there. Er, no. They’re not ad hominems if they’re true, but your resume.

    I believe you suffer enough looking in the mirror everyday, and seeing only juvenile Marxist product sodden Left Liberal mass mediocrity.

    Good luck in your KosHuff dronedom. Try adulthood. Oh ya can’t…the Liberal Left thang again. Still, smile.

    Colonel Neville.

  22. Thank you Rear Admiral Lord Doctor Robert Neville von Anglophile. An ad hominem is still an ad hominem even if it is true. Calling Heidigger a Nazi is an ad hominem even though it was true.

    You see, ad hominem is Latin for “to the man,” I guess you missed Latin day at Eton or Officers College or whatever.

    Also, you called me a “nut” yet I don’t believe that if you put in the ground I would spawn any plant life. I guess you missed biology class a lot as well.

  23. After reading this, and the comments left by the same foot soldiers at my blog, I have a hard time deciding who is more annoying, Steynian readers, or Small Dead Animals. I’ll have to spend more time with Steynians to give them a fair shake, but they are on course to unseat SDA commenters for the title of most annoying horde with the least concern for humanity.

  24. I briefly read through what was mentioned and I think it was a decent commentary. I may have missed something considering how briefly I looked through it but what I read seemed to be questioning the value of being worried about “overpopulation”.

    I think it is a good idea to doubt “overpopulation” concerns as it isn’t “overpopulation” that causes global warming it is pollutants we put in the air depending on the kind of “lifestyle” we have.

    Also some estimates are that the planet can feed 30-40 billion people, a good deal more than our current 6.

    Oh, and I actually like some of the things our president hopy changy is doing.

  25. Actually Bill Nye said it on a show of his where he actually advocated lowering population levels. The threat was that we would all have to eat gruel if there were 40 billion people.

    I’ve heard at least 30 billion mentioned before and if you want I can try to find where I heard it.

    That said, if there is such a high limit are we making too much of a fuss over 6 now or 9 in the future? Yes we will have to do a lot of things but we (as a society) were going to have to do that anyway as what we do now seems to be harming the global environment via fossil fuel related global warming.

    Also I tend to suspect we could feed more people than there are now because it isn’t impossible to find stories where agricultural land is put to disuse for simple economic reasons-not to create nature preserves but letting it lay because prices for produce aren’t high enough or selling the land so it can be used for other things.

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